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		<title>By: Darren Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine the idiot who wrote this story. First of all, the lender will only fund the actual credit report fee, and it must have a bill and report number to support. Origination fee? This is a tool to offer the client the very best rate, and let the borrower pay a point. Yes, the Mortgage Broker should be paid for selling a loan to a lender. The word BROKER should mean something. The State Regulations have a place and a good Mortgage Broker follows it to a T. My clients are well versed and prepared, and I have and always will a no surprise policy. I must tell you, the surprises come more from idiots like you, the person who wrote a story and can&#039;t support the statements. So get a life and go write something else, like why the sky is blue. I would love to have a one on one on live TV with you and show just how much an idiot you really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine the idiot who wrote this story. First of all, the lender will only fund the actual credit report fee, and it must have a bill and report number to support. Origination fee? This is a tool to offer the client the very best rate, and let the borrower pay a point. Yes, the Mortgage Broker should be paid for selling a loan to a lender. The word BROKER should mean something. The State Regulations have a place and a good Mortgage Broker follows it to a T. My clients are well versed and prepared, and I have and always will a no surprise policy. I must tell you, the surprises come more from idiots like you, the person who wrote a story and can&#8217;t support the statements. So get a life and go write something else, like why the sky is blue. I would love to have a one on one on live TV with you and show just how much an idiot you really are.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Hirsch</title>
		<link>http://www.joeconsumer.info/index.php/consumer-advocacy/15/confessions-of-a-mortgage-broker/comment-page-1/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Hirsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I read the article and many of the responses. My first thought was that the techniques mentioned to rip off the client have never even crossed my mind. 

I entered this business because in previous businesses I never felt as though I was helping anyone. My job is to help not hurt! I love my job, I like and respect my clients, and at the end of the day I&#039;m proud of the work i do. Even in this very difficult lending environment my thought is to work harder, be smarter, and provide exceptional customer service, not to devise new ways to rip off the client. 

I look at each loan as the begining of a family tree. If I provide a competitive rate, low costs, and provide exceptional service I&#039;ll reap the rewards of referrals and a growing family tree. 

I&#039;m personally embarassed by the article and will continue to conduct myself professionally and work for and in the best interest of my clients.........and i have the references and referrals to prove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I read the article and many of the responses. My first thought was that the techniques mentioned to rip off the client have never even crossed my mind. </p>
<p>I entered this business because in previous businesses I never felt as though I was helping anyone. My job is to help not hurt! I love my job, I like and respect my clients, and at the end of the day I&#8217;m proud of the work i do. Even in this very difficult lending environment my thought is to work harder, be smarter, and provide exceptional customer service, not to devise new ways to rip off the client. </p>
<p>I look at each loan as the begining of a family tree. If I provide a competitive rate, low costs, and provide exceptional service I&#8217;ll reap the rewards of referrals and a growing family tree. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally embarassed by the article and will continue to conduct myself professionally and work for and in the best interest of my clients&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;and i have the references and referrals to prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Nickerson</title>
		<link>http://www.joeconsumer.info/index.php/consumer-advocacy/15/confessions-of-a-mortgage-broker/comment-page-1/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Nickerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom Line:  Always get a second opinion and always get a Good Faith Estimate of Closings Costs upfront.  These are FREE, and if someone is telling you diferently, move on to the next source.  Get a referral from a local reputable attoreny or real estate broker that is succesful.  Consumers need to do there homework as well.  There is a group of us that believe in full disclosure upfront and will not have the cutomers sign anything until they fully understand the costs associates with purchasing or refinancing a home.  I am sorry to the consumers that get taken in this industry and I know with the new legislations, many brokers, loan officers will be gone.  In Massachusetts, LO&#039;s are to register witht the national mortage registry and pay a fee of $745.  Although this won&#039;t fix the problem, it will weed out a hefty bunch of the sleazy brokers.  Many states are following this lead and making it tougher for these idiots to stay in business.  

Joe, you are like many of the Newspapers that just want to sell copy.  I am sure you could write a story about anything and find the bad side of it.  Try educating the consumers with facts and point them in the right direction.  There are good Brokers, Lenders and Banks out there.  Buyer Beware, there are Bad Brokers, Lenders and Banks as well.  

Bill Nickerson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom Line:  Always get a second opinion and always get a Good Faith Estimate of Closings Costs upfront.  These are FREE, and if someone is telling you diferently, move on to the next source.  Get a referral from a local reputable attoreny or real estate broker that is succesful.  Consumers need to do there homework as well.  There is a group of us that believe in full disclosure upfront and will not have the cutomers sign anything until they fully understand the costs associates with purchasing or refinancing a home.  I am sorry to the consumers that get taken in this industry and I know with the new legislations, many brokers, loan officers will be gone.  In Massachusetts, LO&#8217;s are to register witht the national mortage registry and pay a fee of $745.  Although this won&#8217;t fix the problem, it will weed out a hefty bunch of the sleazy brokers.  Many states are following this lead and making it tougher for these idiots to stay in business.  </p>
<p>Joe, you are like many of the Newspapers that just want to sell copy.  I am sure you could write a story about anything and find the bad side of it.  Try educating the consumers with facts and point them in the right direction.  There are good Brokers, Lenders and Banks out there.  Buyer Beware, there are Bad Brokers, Lenders and Banks as well.  </p>
<p>Bill Nickerson</p>
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		<title>By: L. Harley</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Harley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone can help me with these questions. Approx. 4 months ago, I found a condo in NJ that I wanted. I contacted three mortgage lenders all within about 30 days. Getting the loan from all three was positive, especially one that was handpicked by the builder who could close a non-warrantable structure (no comps in the area - condo has only 3 units, very unconventional). After selecting the lender who could &quot;absolutely&quot; close this kind of structure, as stated by the builder, it seems now that they cannot do so. This transaction have gone as far as the lender appraising the propertya few weeks ago, securing a grant for me given by the State of NJ, etc. Now it is 4 months later and I have to find another lender. How will this affect my credit score since the 45 day period for multiple inquiries counting as 1 inquiry is now gone. Will my credit score drop with another inquiry from yet another bank? My scores are high to low 688 - 759. And, which score do mortgage lenders chose - the highest, the lowest or the median of all 3. Please answer asap as I am waiting to send my application to this new bank. Thanks for all your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone can help me with these questions. Approx. 4 months ago, I found a condo in NJ that I wanted. I contacted three mortgage lenders all within about 30 days. Getting the loan from all three was positive, especially one that was handpicked by the builder who could close a non-warrantable structure (no comps in the area &#8211; condo has only 3 units, very unconventional). After selecting the lender who could &#8220;absolutely&#8221; close this kind of structure, as stated by the builder, it seems now that they cannot do so. This transaction have gone as far as the lender appraising the propertya few weeks ago, securing a grant for me given by the State of NJ, etc. Now it is 4 months later and I have to find another lender. How will this affect my credit score since the 45 day period for multiple inquiries counting as 1 inquiry is now gone. Will my credit score drop with another inquiry from yet another bank? My scores are high to low 688 &#8211; 759. And, which score do mortgage lenders chose &#8211; the highest, the lowest or the median of all 3. Please answer asap as I am waiting to send my application to this new bank. Thanks for all your help.</p>
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		<title>By: Been Behind the Hud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Been Behind the Hud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All well and good - But watch your title company, friends. They can be dishonest too. I worked for a VERY unscrupulous title company. It doesn&#039;t matter that changing things on the HUD is illegal - they did it. Forging buyer&#039;s authorization forms? They did it. Charging for title insurance that was never actually purchased? They did it. Just because you watch your broker, doesn&#039;t mean your escrow company doesn&#039;t need some watching, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All well and good &#8211; But watch your title company, friends. They can be dishonest too. I worked for a VERY unscrupulous title company. It doesn&#8217;t matter that changing things on the HUD is illegal &#8211; they did it. Forging buyer&#8217;s authorization forms? They did it. Charging for title insurance that was never actually purchased? They did it. Just because you watch your broker, doesn&#8217;t mean your escrow company doesn&#8217;t need some watching, too.</p>
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		<title>By: AG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article and comments. Here is another one I&#039;ve wondered about a bit and that is the role of lawyers who represent both you AND the mortgage broker. Our lawyer did this when we bought our first house and it has always made me wonder what sort of conflict of interest existed in that arrangement. We were more fixated on the intracities of buying the property than the details of the mortgage. We ended up with a great loan and our experience with our mortgage broker was pretty good, but after the fact, I&#039;ve long wondered about what relationship existed between our lawyer and the mortgage company.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article and comments. Here is another one I&#8217;ve wondered about a bit and that is the role of lawyers who represent both you AND the mortgage broker. Our lawyer did this when we bought our first house and it has always made me wonder what sort of conflict of interest existed in that arrangement. We were more fixated on the intracities of buying the property than the details of the mortgage. We ended up with a great loan and our experience with our mortgage broker was pretty good, but after the fact, I&#8217;ve long wondered about what relationship existed between our lawyer and the mortgage company.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: How Retailers Trick You in to Buying Crap You Don’t Need (and How to Fight Back) &#124; Joe Consumer Info</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Retailers Trick You in to Buying Crap You Don’t Need (and How to Fight Back) &#124; Joe Consumer Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Confessions of a Mortgage Broke - An expose on abuses in the mortgage brokerage business [...]</description>
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		<title>By: william gipson</title>
		<link>http://www.joeconsumer.info/index.php/consumer-advocacy/15/confessions-of-a-mortgage-broker/comment-page-1/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>william gipson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 07:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was taken for a good ride I assumed a 80-20 loan 100%finance 1st morgage was $150.000 dollars and second was what they call stupid money 46.000 total $202.000 all together I asked for a 30 year fix at 7.0250 on primary loan and at 12% the second loan for 46.000 dollars I was supose to refinance with in 1year after move in. At closing I signed papers because I was told the deal was done and I never checked the papewr work over had no lawyer and they also said we would have to hurry as another closing was following after mine so all I had was sign here and here for 1 hour and then I got the keys and all the closing papers in a folder. I asked if I had 30 year fix ys yes but it was on the 2nd loan at 12% and i had a arm after 2years for the principle loan which is what I never asked or wanted. Then they tell me I can`t refinance because they don`t do 80-20 loans any more and I am ineligable to refinance. WellsFargo sucks and the whole deal was a big screw job I am forced into going chapter 13 or chap7 I can`t get help no where and I haven`t missed NY PAYMENTS AS OF YET.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was taken for a good ride I assumed a 80-20 loan 100%finance 1st morgage was $150.000 dollars and second was what they call stupid money 46.000 total $202.000 all together I asked for a 30 year fix at 7.0250 on primary loan and at 12% the second loan for 46.000 dollars I was supose to refinance with in 1year after move in. At closing I signed papers because I was told the deal was done and I never checked the papewr work over had no lawyer and they also said we would have to hurry as another closing was following after mine so all I had was sign here and here for 1 hour and then I got the keys and all the closing papers in a folder. I asked if I had 30 year fix ys yes but it was on the 2nd loan at 12% and i had a arm after 2years for the principle loan which is what I never asked or wanted. Then they tell me I can`t refinance because they don`t do 80-20 loans any more and I am ineligable to refinance. WellsFargo sucks and the whole deal was a big screw job I am forced into going chapter 13 or chap7 I can`t get help no where and I haven`t missed NY PAYMENTS AS OF YET.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Consumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Consumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CogentBroker,

It&#039;s so much nicer to get a thoughtful response like yours, instead of the &quot;fuck you, asshole&quot; posted by lotides.

First of all, $3,000 seems like a steep fee to organize a loan, but if a broker were to say upfront, that&#039;s what we charge, and if you&#039;d like to hire us that is what you&#039;ll pay, nothing more and nothing less - that seems like fair and transparent business. If any rebate were returned to the consumer (or deducted from the fee) this is a reasonable arrangement.

Additionally, a consumer could hire a broker based on either a lower fee, higher levels of service, or a broker who worked with a bigger network of lenders, etc. In any case, the consumer need not fear his broker under this scenario. This seems a more honest model.

Next, I&#039;d like to address you comments on commissions. I think the analogy of a lawyer working on commission is flawed for several reasons:

	&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A client need not work with a lawyer on contingency if he doesn&#039;t want to. Virtually all lawyers will work hourly. Contingency cases are only the norm when there is money to be recovered and the client can&#039;t afford to cover the costs up front, or bear the risk. The attorney also bears risk in the transaction, as some contingency cases pay nothing. &lt;/li&gt;

	&lt;li&gt;When a client and a lawyer agree to work on a contingency basis, everybody knows the percentage up front and the client can easily shop the deal.&lt;/li&gt;

	&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;MOST IMPORTANTLY:&lt;/b&gt; The Attorney has a fiduciary responsibility to the client and &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; earns more by getting more for the client. This same basic model is true with a real estate agent.  However, since they earn such a small percentage of the transaction, they are really not driven to squeeze every dollar out the way they should (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Freakonomics-Revised-Expanded-Economist-Everything/dp/0061234001/?tag=joeconsumer-20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Freakonomic&lt;/a&gt; for a great explanation of this.)&lt;/li&gt;

&lt;/ol&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CogentBroker,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so much nicer to get a thoughtful response like yours, instead of the &#8220;fuck you, asshole&#8221; posted by lotides.</p>
<p>First of all, $3,000 seems like a steep fee to organize a loan, but if a broker were to say upfront, that&#8217;s what we charge, and if you&#8217;d like to hire us that is what you&#8217;ll pay, nothing more and nothing less &#8211; that seems like fair and transparent business. If any rebate were returned to the consumer (or deducted from the fee) this is a reasonable arrangement.</p>
<p>Additionally, a consumer could hire a broker based on either a lower fee, higher levels of service, or a broker who worked with a bigger network of lenders, etc. In any case, the consumer need not fear his broker under this scenario. This seems a more honest model.</p>
<p>Next, I&#8217;d like to address you comments on commissions. I think the analogy of a lawyer working on commission is flawed for several reasons:</p>
<ol>
<li>A client need not work with a lawyer on contingency if he doesn&#8217;t want to. Virtually all lawyers will work hourly. Contingency cases are only the norm when there is money to be recovered and the client can&#8217;t afford to cover the costs up front, or bear the risk. The attorney also bears risk in the transaction, as some contingency cases pay nothing. </li>
<li>When a client and a lawyer agree to work on a contingency basis, everybody knows the percentage up front and the client can easily shop the deal.</li>
<li><b>MOST IMPORTANTLY:</b> The Attorney has a fiduciary responsibility to the client and <i>only</i> earns more by getting more for the client. This same basic model is true with a real estate agent.  However, since they earn such a small percentage of the transaction, they are really not driven to squeeze every dollar out the way they should (see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Freakonomics-Revised-Expanded-Economist-Everything/dp/0061234001/?tag=joeconsumer-20" rel="nofollow">Freakonomic</a> for a great explanation of this.)</li>
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		<title>By: CogentBroker</title>
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		<dc:creator>CogentBroker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a broker it always disappoints me to hear about guys like Jack in this business.  Unfortunately there are Jacks in every business.  Now that the mortgage business has slowed down I hope that transactional guys like that will not survive and those of us building trustworthy relationships with our clients will remain.

The problems listed are not problems with brokers as a group.  They are problems of moral hazard that can occur everywhere.  I&#039;ve lost deals because I would not cross a line to trick someone, and I suggest that there are consumers (not all of them) out there who refused to listen to sound advice and went with the deal that was too good to be true.

Coming up with additional ways to restrict broker compensation, in my opinion, is not a realistic solution and only stifles competition.  You would effectively drive brokers away from this business and leave consumers with fewer options.  Banks are the alternative to brokers, but you get fewer choices with individual banks because they will only sell you what they have to offer while a broker can source the best deals from multiple wholesale sources.  Some banks would probably love to see brokers close up so they can make even bigger margins.

Working on commission is not uncommon.  Realtors do it all the time . . . anyone have a problem with Realtors getting paid their percentage?  Joe Consumer you said, &quot;Would you accept a lawyer profited by from manipulating a deal or an accountant that modified his advice for kick backs? Of course not!&quot;  I don&#039;t know enough about accountants to comment on their compensation, but I do know they can be retained for advice and offer additional services.  Many attorneys work on contingency which means they make big dollars or nothing -- 30% of a settlement seems like a lot but I believe that&#039;s common practice.

Finally, there seems be a lot of misunderstanding about rebate paid from lenders to brokers and origination charged by brokers.  Both can be extremely beneficial to our customers.  

Let&#039;s say, for example, a broker needs to generate $3,000 in commission which is reasonable.  That would be 0.50 points for a $600,000 loan or 2 points for a $150,000 loan.  Assume both are 30-year fixed rates.  If both loans take the same amount of work, each would make sense.  That $3,000 could be earned as rebate or origination.  The rebate scenario would have a higher rate than the origination scenario.  Paying the origination and recouping your fee through lower monthly payments over  5 year period would be a good investment if you were sure of keeping the property and loan for a longer term.  Choosing the higher rate with no origination would be more beneficial to a consumer who wants the security of a long-term rate but thinks they might sell or refi in less than 5 years.

The bottom line is mortgage lending is not always as simple as it&#039;s made to appear.  You should choose to work with someone knowledgeable who has good references.  A good broker can save you a lot of money and sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a broker it always disappoints me to hear about guys like Jack in this business.  Unfortunately there are Jacks in every business.  Now that the mortgage business has slowed down I hope that transactional guys like that will not survive and those of us building trustworthy relationships with our clients will remain.</p>
<p>The problems listed are not problems with brokers as a group.  They are problems of moral hazard that can occur everywhere.  I&#8217;ve lost deals because I would not cross a line to trick someone, and I suggest that there are consumers (not all of them) out there who refused to listen to sound advice and went with the deal that was too good to be true.</p>
<p>Coming up with additional ways to restrict broker compensation, in my opinion, is not a realistic solution and only stifles competition.  You would effectively drive brokers away from this business and leave consumers with fewer options.  Banks are the alternative to brokers, but you get fewer choices with individual banks because they will only sell you what they have to offer while a broker can source the best deals from multiple wholesale sources.  Some banks would probably love to see brokers close up so they can make even bigger margins.</p>
<p>Working on commission is not uncommon.  Realtors do it all the time . . . anyone have a problem with Realtors getting paid their percentage?  Joe Consumer you said, &#8220;Would you accept a lawyer profited by from manipulating a deal or an accountant that modified his advice for kick backs? Of course not!&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know enough about accountants to comment on their compensation, but I do know they can be retained for advice and offer additional services.  Many attorneys work on contingency which means they make big dollars or nothing &#8212; 30% of a settlement seems like a lot but I believe that&#8217;s common practice.</p>
<p>Finally, there seems be a lot of misunderstanding about rebate paid from lenders to brokers and origination charged by brokers.  Both can be extremely beneficial to our customers.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say, for example, a broker needs to generate $3,000 in commission which is reasonable.  That would be 0.50 points for a $600,000 loan or 2 points for a $150,000 loan.  Assume both are 30-year fixed rates.  If both loans take the same amount of work, each would make sense.  That $3,000 could be earned as rebate or origination.  The rebate scenario would have a higher rate than the origination scenario.  Paying the origination and recouping your fee through lower monthly payments over  5 year period would be a good investment if you were sure of keeping the property and loan for a longer term.  Choosing the higher rate with no origination would be more beneficial to a consumer who wants the security of a long-term rate but thinks they might sell or refi in less than 5 years.</p>
<p>The bottom line is mortgage lending is not always as simple as it&#8217;s made to appear.  You should choose to work with someone knowledgeable who has good references.  A good broker can save you a lot of money and sleep.</p>
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